The following discourse by His Holiness Mahavishnu oswami maharaj was delivered in 44, jalantharobog singaore on Saturday 21st march 1992 Hare Krishna
Devotes chants 12th chapter Bhagavad Gita. Maharaj helps in between.
śrī-bhagavān uvāca
mayy āveśya mano ye māṁ
nitya-yuktā upāsate
śraddhayā parayopetās
te me yukta-tamā matāḥ
ye tv akṣaram anirdeśyam
avyaktaṁ paryupāsate
sarvatra-gam acintyaṁ ca
kūṭa-stham acalaṁ dhruvam
sanniyamyendriya-grāmaṁ
sarvatra sama-buddhayaḥ
te prāpnuvanti mām eva
sarva-bhūta-hite ratāh
kleśo ’dhika-taras teṣām
avyaktāsakta-cetasām
avyaktā hi gatir duḥkhaṁ
dehavadbhir avāpyate
ye tu sarvāṇi karmāṇi
mayi sannyasya mat-parāḥ
ananyenaiva yogena
māṁ dhyāyanta upāsate
teṣām ahaṁ samuddhartā
mṛtyu-saṁsāra-sāgarāt
bhavāmi na cirāt pārtha
mayy āveśita-cetasām
That’s right. From yesterday it is better. The more you repeat you know, it will come. It will be second nature then. You will not forget it. Keep on repeating it. Don’t give up that you can’t do it. You have done it. Bit more endeavour and it will come. Now we go to this verse you know beautiful verse from. This verse is very easy to remember. Fourth canto seventh chapter then you multiply it by 4 and 7 you get the verse number 28. you know 4 multiplied by 7 is 28 so this way we should remember and this verse is beautiful to remember. Bit difficult in the beginning. It’s a long verse. But it gives us the picture of the ordinary persons. How they behave and Vyasa bhagavan is really in a dilemma to ask himself that when these persons will come to you just to get relief from all this anguish. So see now.
4.7.28 repeat
sadasyā ūcuḥ
utpatty-adhvany aśaraṇa uru-kleśa-durge ’ntakogra-
vyālānviṣṭe viṣaya-mṛga-tṛṣy ātma-gehoru-bhāraḥ
dvandva-śvabhre khala-mṛga-bhaye śoka-dāve ’jña-sārthaḥ
pādaukas te śaraṇada kadā yāti kāmopasṛṣṭaḥ
Maharaj leads word by word and devotees repeat
first we will go thru the meanings. Then it becomes clear. Once the words become clear it is easy to remember.
sadasyāḥ — the members of the assembly; ūcuḥ — said; utpatti — repeated birth and death; adhvani — on the path of; aśaraṇe — not having a place to take shelter;
These three words are very important. Utpatti, adhvani and asharana. Utpatti means repeated birth and death and adhvani means on the path of. We are on the path of repeated birth and death. Frankly speaking we don’t have time because the body demands our time. We got up early in the morning and the body demanded that we must have rest and we had to take rest. This is how the demands of the body. It is very difficult to control. To control the demands of the body is to purify our food. If you can take less food particularly in the advanced stage, then it will help you. Otherwise these body’s demands they can never be controlled and unless they are controlled, our life has no value. We have to give in, but once we give in, it should be in a limited sense you know to give into it. Not that we just give into the body’s demands the whole day we don’t get up or we snooze up to mid-day or this and that. If you require rest then you have rest in a limited period. Without that you cannot function normally. In order to function normally, don’t force your body, but at the same time don’t relax too much. What happens if we give into bodily demands and if we don’t control them, then you are prone to continue that and these are the most important things you know. That’s why we don’t have time on this path because we are continuously on the path of this repetition of birth and death. You don’t know that. We may think that our life is 60 years or 80 years whatever it may be, but it is just you know a flash of the eye the time passes away. We have passed. I have passed 65 years. I don’t know really how it went. It appears as if yesterday I was a child and today suddenly the whole time is gone and particularly when we marry you know once the education is finished means you enter into grhasthasram. As soon as you enter into grhasthasram means 40 50 years.. just gone like that because we are so very busy with the making money and children and this and then by the time you come to the end of your responsibilities, , your whole time is gone like a dream you know. And the dream, and as dreams are never true, the same thing happens regarding our life also. Whatever we have done is not at all true. We have done it is not at all.. and now we think. Regarding me also only the list of names are with me. That’s all. That is a long list of names of the whole family. That’s al. Everybody is engaged in their own maayic activities. Activities of the illusory energy. They don’t have clue that we are not here permanently. Generally people don’t believe these things and that’s how asharan the third word we come to. Utpatti and Adhvani. Utpatti means repeated birth and death and adhvani means on the path of. We are on the path of repeated birth and death. So very busy that we don’t have time to take sharan means surrender to the lord . Some shelter we don’t have the time and because we don’t have time then we are just busy accepting one body after the other and once we accept the body, we repeat the same thing. That we don’t understand and that is what is known in srimad bhagavatam pages chewing the chewed punah carvita carvanaanaam that verse is beautiful you know
matir na kṛṣṇe parataḥ svato vā
mitho ’bhipadyeta gṛha-vratānām
adānta-gobhir viśatāṁ tamisraṁ
punaḥ punaś carvita-carvaṇānām( SB 7.5.30)
very beautiful verse. It says matir na krishne paratah svato vaa Matir na krishne.. mati means our sense doesn’t accept Krishna Parato , by the advise of others and by our own endeavors it doesn’t accept. Matir na krishne we don’t have the sense of accepting the lord as the supreme person. And people tell us that Krishna is supreme. we don’t believe. Our own endeavors tell us thru the pages of Bhagavad gita and Bhagavatam that Krishna is the supreme. But matir na krishne parato svato vaa parato means others svato means by our own endeavors.
Mithobhipadyaeta grha vratanaam we are so very engrossed into grha vrat you know. We are so very attached to this paraphernalia and that’s why by our own endeavors we don’t come to Krishna and by other’s advise we don’t come to Krishna .those who fortunately come to Krishna, they escape from these clutches you know there is a clutch. a very powerful clutch. You know in car also it is known as clutch because as soon as you are caught into the clutch, you have to change the gear and do this and do that. Unless you do that, even the car doesn’t go smooth. You know you have experienced that you start a car in its first gear. It can’t go after some time the gear seems to be tired and then you have to change the gear but you can’t change the gear like that unless you press the clutch because the gear is in the clutch. Gear is caught in the clutch. And unless you release the clutch, you cannot change the gear and if you force without pressing the clutch that unless you release it from the clutch and if you are trying to change the gear you will break the gear. But it will never change. That is what is happening in our life also. That we don’t press the clutch so as to release ourself from all these things. We are in a sort of clutch you know. Our gear is fixed in the clutch. And unless that is relieved, the gear cannot be changed. It is a rule you know and we drive daily it is our nature while driving that we first press the clutch and then the gear. We never do it without pressing the clutch and if you try without pressing the clutch you will break it. It won’t go and that is what is happening you know that however hard the other people try to convince us, however we try ourselves. Sooner or later we also get frustrated by all these things and we try to find a way out of it because when it comes up to the neck, these material activities they drown you up to the neck and because you don’t like it then you become frustrated, then you become angry and then you do what is not to be done and all these activities are because we are not releasing ourselves we are not pressing the clutch. And to press the clutch means to come to these activities. Atleast for some time you know. 24 hours a day we are just going on in our daily routine and that’s why Prabhupada advises that one hour if you can do it then you escape this utpatti and adhvani. You are not on the path of repletion of birth and death. Unless you press your clutch, unless you develop krishna consciousness it is very difficult to change your gear and we have to change our gear. Otherwise we are already tired in the first gear. And this is the position. This is the meaning of utpatti adhvani and.. if you don’t remember the whole verse, don’t worry but remember these three words utpatti adhvani and asharan. utpatti mean repetition of birth and death. Adhvani means on the path of and asharan we don’t take shelter. Because we are very busy accepting the bodies, we are on the path of repletion of birth and death and because we are on the path of repletion of birth and death, we don’t take sharan. We drove on the way from kualalampur to penang you know. We were on the path. We were on the path. The car was not in the bushes. It was on the path. And the car was so busy travelling that it did not have any sharan. It did not have any shelter because it was busy on the path. The same thing is happening to ourselves that our soul is so very busy on the path of travelling and what is this travel? It is repletion of birth and death. And because it is travelling, it doesn’t have any capacity to acquire shelter and that is our position. We wonder many times if this is so good then why everybody is not attracted. But everybody is helpless. This is not a potato shop you know that you just pay 10 pens and get a pound, 10 pens and get a pound. Then there will be a crowd. But this is a diamond shop. In diamond shop, during the day, may be there are one or two customers. Potato shop is crowded because you go pay 10 pens and get potato. You pay 10 pens and get potato. But who will come to the diamond shop? Those who have money and very rare because it costs thousands of dollars. So anybody Tom, Dick and Harry cannot go to the diamond shop. So diamond shop is always empty. And that’s why these temples are always empty. Because this is a diamond shop. Those who have cultivated Krishna’s knowledge they can only see Krishna and then again Krishna should allow you to see. Otherwise without His mercy we can’t see him. Now this is our house. You have locked the door. Now If somebody comes there, you will see whether that person is worth allowing in or not. So if you see that person is yes, your friend or your acquaintance, or he rings you before that I am Satyanarayanan coming would you please allow me in your home? And then if you decide that he should be allowed then he will come here and get in. but if you decide that he should not be allowed then you will say so on the phone. And even if he comes here and he knocks the door you will not allow him. The same position with Krishna also Krishna will not allow you unless He decides that you are a favourable person the owner of the house must decide whether the visitor is favourable or not. And if he is favourable, then
Maharaj Lecture#47b
SB 4.7.28
sadasyā ūcuḥ
utpatty-adhvany aśaraṇa uru-kleśa-durge ’ntakogra-
vyālānviṣṭe viṣaya-mṛga-tṛṣy ātma-gehoru-bhāraḥ
dvandva-śvabhre khala-mṛga-bhaye śoka-dāve ’jña-sārthaḥ
pādaukas te śaraṇada kadā yāti kāmopasṛṣṭaḥ
Maharaj: We know adhvany means on the path of, and we know aśaraṇa, we haven’t taken shelter because there is no time to take shelter. This is how we should understand. Then uru, uru, uru means great; you know uru-klesa and klesa again. Uru; uru means great and kleśa means troublesome. Means great trouble is awaiting on the path. The path is not smooth. Then he says durge- in the formidable fort, antaka - termination, ugra- ferocious, vyala- snakes, anviste -being infested with. So it completes us one line, you know. Please repeat:
Devotees repeat after Maharaj:
Utpatty, adhvany, aśaraṇa, uru
Someone leaving………….. Maharaj say ‘See you then’……
Devotees again repeat after Maharaj:
Utpatty, adhvany, aśaraṇa, uru, kleśa, durge, antaka, ugra
Maharaj: So it is first line, utpatty-adhvany aśaraṇa
Devotees: utpatty-adhvany aśaraṇa
Maharaj: uru-kleśa
Devotees: uru-kleśa
Maharaj: durge ’ntakogra
Devotees: durge ’ntakogra
Maharaj: durge ’ntakogra
Devotees: durge ’ntakogra
Maharaj: vyālānviṣṭe
Devotees: vyālānviṣṭe
Maharaj: viṣaya-mṛga-tṛṣy
Devotees: viṣaya-mṛga-tṛṣy
Maharaj: ātma-gehoru-bhāraḥ
Devotees: ātma-gehoru-bhāraḥ
Maharaj: On that path viṣaya means we have sense gratification. mṛga-tṛṣy means like mirage. You know mirage? In the desert you see and if the animals try to run and they die of the thirst, because there is no water and they see the water. That is what viṣaya is. We are attracted to sense gratification there is no happiness, and we try to find out the happiness. That’s why Prabhupada says that the happiness in the material world is a myth you know. There’s no happiness.
Maharaj: viṣaya-mṛga-tṛṣy
Devotees: viṣaya-mṛga-tṛṣy
Maharaj: ātma-gehoru-bhāraḥ
Devotees: ātma
Maharaj: geha
Devotees: geha
Maharaj: uru
Devotees: uru
Maharaj: bhāraḥ
Devotees: bhāraḥ
Maharaj: ātma means our own body; geha means our house and uru great bhāraḥ burden. We carry this burden because we don’t know that for happiness which we are trying is just like mṛga-tṛṣy; it’s just like a mirage. That is the meaning of the second line.
Maharaj: dvandva-śvabhre
Devotees: dvandva-śvabhre
Maharaj: Then happiness and misery. dvandva means two. On that path there are two obstacles. Sometimes we are very happy sometimes we are very unhappy.
Maharaj: khala-mṛga-bhaye
Devotees: khala-mṛga-bhaye
Maharaj: khala, khala means ferocious, mṛga means animals and bhaye means being afraid of. On this path there are so many ferocious animals attacking us. Ferocious animals in the sense of people you know? So many people we come across they are very ferocious you know. They want to strike you like a snake. They will bite you without any reason; they will just bite you know. And these people we cannot avoid.
Maharaj: śoka
Devotees: śoka
Maharaj: Then lamentation
Devotees: Lamentation
Maharaj: We are lamenting. dāve means forest fire. The forest fire of lamentation is there. And the main thing in forest fire is that it doesn’t burn only over the land but below the land for 5 feet it burns. So when there is a forest fire, the specialty of the forest fire is, it doesn’t require any reason. Why the forest catches fire? We don’t know. Just two bamboo trees may rub against each other by the wind and just it starts you know. Without any, without any really tangible reason. So this forest fire of difficulties in our life, they also start without reason. Many times we blame somebody you know for our own misery but frankly speaking there is no reason. And once it starts it blazes like anything. See it blazes and not only above the ground but below the ground also. And that’s why not only the trees are burnt or the animals who are above the ground are burnt but even the snakes who are under the ground they also die. It’s so very powerful. And these….these difficulties in our life are so powerful that way. We cannot get rid of them, we cannot tolerate them. That is the meaning of forest fire because there is no remedy for it. Our whole this paraphernalia of fire extinguishers you know this big-big…what is it called, Fire engines?
Devotee: Fire engines
Maharaj: Yeah they come and they try to hose the whole thing. It cannot stop forest fire. The more you pour water it blazes more, you know. So there is no way and there is no way we can tolerate it. That is also with it. But we have to do it or either we die or we tolerate. That is the thing with this śoka, śoka-dāve the forest of…forest fire of lamentation.
And then ajña-sārthaḥ for the interest of rascals *laughs*. “For the interest of rascals”. Prabhupada is very teevra you know very hard. This is what is for these rascals we have to tolerate. You know around us there is a market of envious people. Market, so wherever you go they are just staring at “oh! Is he still alive?” *laughs* Kill him! you know because they don’t want to see us happy you know. They don’t want to really NO. That we have a house and it’s completely free and this because they are under the burden of the house really. For house they have to just destroy their whole of lifetime. Yesterday we saw some cottages. Just to buy that cottage now and to repay it, they have to spend 25 years. Within no time, and 25 years gone means their whole youth is gone and life is gone. At the end they may make houses free. And in London it is a punishment really because we have to buy the houses, we have to pay the installments there must be some place to stay and man works hard for 25 years just to meet the installments because of the high prices. And in London because of the weather, bad weather, by the time you make house free it dilapidates, completely because of cold weather and snow and rain and everything. It enters into the wall, and the wall cracks and the decoration is gone completely by in 25 years because you were just working for clearing it, clearing the mortgage. And then you just breathe after 25 years that at last the place is mine and as soon as you think that the place is mine, it is sinking down and then counsel comes and they want you to renovate and if you don’t have any money now old age, in old age you don’t have money. You don’t have strength to earn money and counsel forces you to renovate the whole thing and unless and unless you renovate you can’t stay in it. So you have to sell it back to the counsel. And counsel will say now your house is only for 2000 pound and you have paid nearly 200,000 pounds for it for the whole of lifetime and then you have to take 2000 pounds quietly without talking anything and you go to the counsel flat or somewhere where in again heavy rent is to be paid and this is the system really. It just kills us you now, it kills us. Instead, Malaysia is best you know! that from the local material they may create a small humble residence with a roof, thatched roof or something. If it goes wrong again the local material is available which will not be that costly and you are not paying any installment or anything just have a nice piece of land, grow something yourself or buy some humble, build some humble hut or something and stay there. That is the best way to pass the life instead of getting ground into these installment businesses. And particularly in Singapore it’s like a bird you know. You now birds have nest on a tree. So you also have some nest on the skyscraper *laughs* and for that nest you are killing yourself daily just to have that nest and that nest is not self-sufficient. Birds nest at least self-sufficient. The bird doesn’t have to pay the installment.
You have to kill for installments, then water charges, then light charges, then phone charges. All these bills have to come. And this is how the living entities, the human energy, instead of it being diverted to Vedic culture, it is just destroyed, just to have some nest in the sky scrapper. And this is śoka-dāve - forest fire of lamentation. And when it cease, then there is some earthquake or this or that. Now this island is very small. And being very small, the place is very short here. And then everybody wants to crowd here, so that means that they have to fly in the sky. That is why they go up. Up, up and up. And now for examples, these islands, they are very much prone to have earthquakes. Because from all the sides they are surrounded by water and water always have a tendency to enter into the land……under you know. And because it is the tendency, these islands are more prone to have earthquakes than other places. And if unfortunately there is earthquake again the whole sky scrapper becomes rubble. And you think about these things, you now. This is describing this. And he says in these terrible conditions, these living entities, when are they to take your shelter.
pādaukas te śaraṇada kadā yāti kāmopasṛṣṭaḥ
This is a beautiful. Repeat now:
Devotees repeat after Maharaj:
utpatty-adhvany aśaraṇa uru-kleśa-durge ’ntakogra-
vyālānviṣṭe viṣaya-mṛga-tṛṣy ātma-gehoru-bhāraḥ
dvandva-śvabhre khala-mṛga-bhaye śoka-dāve ’jña-sārthaḥ
pādaukas te śaraṇada kadā yāti kāmopasṛṣṭaḥ
Maharaj: kāma means desires, upasṛṣṭaḥ means afflicted by different desires. It is we our life is kāmopasṛṣṭaḥ, being afflicted by all sorts of desires.
Then we go to the translation. It is beautiful translation you know. Please repeat:
Devotees repeat after Maharaj:
“The members of the assembly addressed the Lord: O exclusive shelter for all who are situated in troubled life, in this formidable fort of conditional existence the time element, like a snake, is always looking for an opportunity to strike. This world is full of ditches of so-called distress and happiness, and there are many ferocious animals always ready to attack. The fire of lamentation is always blazing, and the mirage of false happiness is always alluring, but one has no shelter from them. Thus foolish persons live in the cycle of birth and death, always overburdened in discharging their so-called duties, and we do not know when they will accept the shelter of Your lotus feet.”
How beautiful it is, you know! Very clear!
Prabhupada is very nice. Again we will repeat:
Devotees repeat after Maharaj:
“The members of the assembly addressed the Lord: O exclusive shelter for all who are situated in troubled life, in this formidable fort of conditional existence the time element, like a snake, is always looking for an opportunity to strike. This world is full of ditches of so-called distress and happiness, and there are many ferocious animals always ready to attack. The fire of lamentation is always blazing, and the mirage of false happiness is always alluring, but one has no shelter from them. Thus foolish persons live in the cycle of birth and death, always overburdened in discharging their so-called duties, and we do not know when they will accept the shelter of Your lotus feet.”
Purport by Srila Prabhupada:
Persons who are not in Krishna consciousness are living a very precarious life, as described in this verse, but all these circumstantial conditions are due to forgetfulness of Krishna. The Krishna consciousness movement is meant to give relief to all these bewildered and distressed persons; therefore it is the greatest relief work for all human society, and the workers thereof are the greatest well-wishers, for they follow in the footsteps of Lord Caitanya, who is the greatest friend to all living entities.
Maharaj: Very short but very effective purport you know. He says because of forgetful of Krishna, we are putting our self into these. As soon as you come to Krishna you know, then we are not allured by false happiness, then no body troubled us. Nobody can touch you really. If you are fully Krishna Conscious, then you are completely liberated from all these things. It’s only when we are one among that crowd we are in trouble. As soon as you don’t care for the material things weather it comes or not, it doesn’t matter, then you are at ease. But the ordinary person will lament like anything if he loses the business. It is our experience you know, that we are situated in a person, in the group of the persons who are always trying to be prosperous materially and we are also one of them. And if we behave like one of them, means we are afflicted then by their bickering or this and that .But if you get out of that, that tendency then there is no trouble. Then let them take you know. You are free.
You know that story. Who was it? Santana Goswami! Who had a touchstone in the garbage box, in the dustbin you know. Now! this is the position. If Santana Goswami would have been attached to that touchstone then there would have been a clash. The person wanted and if he also wanted means it is a competition. And then there won’t be any difference between Santana Goswami and that ordinary man. Because he is also running after money, Santana is also running after money. Then both will be in trouble and both will compete with each other, both will try to inflict miseries on each other. But if one gives it away; then he is away from the trouble. Santana had no worry, whether the touchstone is there or not, he was completely satisfied with Hare Krishna Mahamantra. Chanting and reading and writing whatever it is, these sad Goswami were completely satisfied. They didn’t even worry about the clothes, they didn’t have practically. Just a half lungi that’s all. And may be one pancha, you know. That is how, they were completely satisfied. Till they were ministers, they were afflicted by all these things but as soon as they left their job and they forgot about their riches, the whole thing is, they brought their riches that time to have a minister post was not an ordinary thing you know. And there are so many riches that the whole nearly steamer was full with golden coins. At the moment we don’t have golden coins at all. It’s our paper money you know, which don’t have any value at all. So, even then they finished that story and they went, they closed that chapter. They were completely free. Then even the king was not able to do anything to them. Otherwise they were the slaves of the king. Every day, day in and day out the king was sitting on their head. Because they had to earn their bread and they have to go into that and when they were one among them, they were afflicted by these miseries. So Prabhupada is very clear, that If you remember Krishna, you have to be released from all these things. He didn’t worry about the touchstone, so he had thrown it into the dustbin. Then if somebody comes here and demands that, O! I want that plastic bag from your dustbin. Would you care for him? Just ignore it because for you it is the clearance of the dustbin. So you don’t worry, it is good for you. And this is how Santana was very, very favorable, very happy to give him the touchstone. Then that idea came to his mind that if it is so valuable why that person has thrown it into dustbin. And then fortunately he came to the right sense. But ordinary person, they don’t come to the right sense. …..That is what Srila Prabhupada says: very few persons come to Krishna consciousness and that is the gist of this whole thing. But this verse is very beautiful to describe what our position is and what our position should be. That’s why this is very important.
How to stress the importance of Krishna Consciousness that we fail to understand? It’s so very important and even then people are not ready to take these things. But whether anybody takes or not, it is better that we force ourselves to take. We also don’t want, 99 percent of our time we don’t want these things and we have to force ourselves. The only force with us is the death is starring at us. That is a great force behind all these activities. And very few persons are conscious of that. You go to the ordinary market, nobody is conscious that they are going to die and that’s why in their dealings also they want to cheat. There is no love in the dealings. They are very cruel to each other. These things are because; they don’t know that we have to go after two days. They don’t know that. And because we forget that, then we don’t come to the Lord also. We don’t cultivate Krishna consciousness. Somehow or the other by force of the circumstances, or by our sheer luck, if we can come to Krishna, that is really perfection. And that may not appear to be perfection. In the eyes of the ordinary person you become lunatic, they say why are you….why wearing these clothes?…….why are you chanting always? This is lunacy, because for them to be engrossed in the material activities is the best occupation. And when we leave that occupation, they think he is gone he has lost his balance. Whereas, they have lost their balance. ”laughing”. And we have got the balance.
This, there is a one very nice man who visits our south London namhata very regularly, you know. And he is a goldsmith and you know these jewelers they are really after money, like anything they are after money. So some other relatives met him and they said that ‘you are gone deep into Hare Krishna’ you know. He said No! I haven’t gone deep into Hare Krishan. I was deep, but I have come out. ”laughing”. He gave very nice answer. They told him ‘that you are gone deep’. He said No! I didn’t go deep, I was deep before I came to Hare Krishna. I was deep in maya he means to say but now I have come out. You are deep. ”laughing”. And he always explains this very nicely in namahat you know. He married four times and he came from Mumbasa you know, east Africa to London and when he came he was very young. So he married one white girl, then had two children. Then she separated. She sued him for the maintenance. So he had to give the maintenance to that family. Then again he married. Again the other girl also didn’t …… So again she sued, so second maintenance was to be given. Then third time he married again. Again she separated, again sued. So, three wives to be maintained and this fellow going to work and after a week he used to have five pounds in his hands. With all his maintenance is to go. ”laughing”. So at the end he was so very miserable that he stopped working. What is the use of working, says I am only getting 5 pounds. It’s better to stop the work. And as soon as he stopped the work, the whole maintenance and everything was to be met by the government. And government is paying now, and government is paying him also. ”laughing”. So he sit silent and whatever comes from the government he is satisfied.
And then somehow or the other we came in contact with him. He said I am the most miserable person, I lost three wives and six children and this and that. We told him don’t worry, you are lucky that they are gone. Now take Sri mad Bhagwatam, so he has bought that big copy you know, one volume copy. And day and night he reads. He said, If I could have got Bhagwatam in the beginning, I would never had married. ”laughing”. And now because he is deep into this the relatives think that instead of running out of this jewelry business, he has lost everything you know. And that’s why they say that you are gone deep in Hare Krishna. He said no, no I was deep already, I have come out of it…you are deep and that is the meaning of this verse also. If you don’t want to come out….. ”laughing”.
Maharaj: Have you any comments?
Devotee (Some time “(Inaudible)”): Tried to explain………so purely explained in the Bhagwatam. I feel that Bhagwatam is telling my story
Maharaj: I also feel that it is my story. He, she also feel…
Devotee (Some time “(Inaudible)”): It is talking about business, failure and success, everything. Tell him your life is…………all your problems are there
Maharaj: Remedy! Remedy! That is the beauty of our scriptures, not only it describes the life but it shows the remedy.
Devotee (Some time “(Inaudible)”): Momentarily they, they listen you know. But after sometime they still think: “I am stuck…..we are stuck in all this……. Momentarily it does strike them.
Maharaj: And then one thing I will tell you that because we are at ease, whatever our position is. Frankly speaking materially we people are completely poppers you know. Completely day to day we are living. But nothing stops, we are moving in airplanes, we are moving around the world, we go everywhere there are places to stay, there is prasadam to eat. Every, every facility is there. Why for we require money? You take the example you know, suppose you completely dedicate and tomorrow you put on saffron and get out even then nothing is going to stop. You will do everything, but then the difference is the ordinary persons do everything for themselves and you do for Krishna. That is really worth following, so many times we don’t, we don’t really encourage people to leave the activities you know, because that is shastrik injunction. That we should not disturb, the varnashram system. Otherwise same attitude to leave everything and finish it off, until we have some strength. And then fully devote and really once you fully devote means you really relish then. Otherwise till that time we don’t know what the devotional service is? I was also in the family and till that time very hard to understand this. But as soon as you follow, the family will object, friends will not like because we have to keep up that show. And as soon as we get detached they think that you are completely gone and start envying you. Because we are very happy, without anything we are very happy, we are very healthy, very nice you know! Who can keep good health after 60 years of age, tell me. Just we like we, completely we are bed ridden, completely bed ridden.
Devotee (Some time “(Inaudible)”): I want to tell my family members, they have seen the way my father really suffered. Cough and you know……..miserable man, he suffered you know, all the mental anguish he went thru from his own children you know. It’s all explained here……so nice. How he was…………word and pain and……all seen from my own eyes. Each and every one of us has seen it happened you know. And yet they can’t see it. I can see it so clearly explained here. And the feeling is that you never grow old that is the reason………………. “Interrupted………”